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		<title>By: Ms Baroque</title>
		<link>http://www.benlocker.co.uk/that-can-refer-to-people/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms Baroque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, I think &quot;that&quot; does make people sound like objects. Anthony makes the point I was going to that the PM is a function, not a person. 

In general it seems awkward, imprecise and slightly infantile-sounding. To me. But that may be my English ear (I have one of each!); it&#039;s also a transatlantic issue. In the USA people routinely use &quot;that&quot; to mean &quot;who&quot;; I did it myself and didn&#039;t hear myself doing it. You even see it in places like the New Yorker or the NYT. But even in the US I think it&#039;s essentially a colloquialism and doesn&#039;t work very well in print.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, I think &#8220;that&#8221; does make people sound like objects. Anthony makes the point I was going to that the PM is a function, not a person. </p>
<p>In general it seems awkward, imprecise and slightly infantile-sounding. To me. But that may be my English ear (I have one of each!); it&#8217;s also a transatlantic issue. In the USA people routinely use &#8220;that&#8221; to mean &#8220;who&#8221;; I did it myself and didn&#8217;t hear myself doing it. You even see it in places like the New Yorker or the NYT. But even in the US I think it&#8217;s essentially a colloquialism and doesn&#8217;t work very well in print.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Locker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Locker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I think you&#039;re probably right. I tweeted this last night: 

&lt;em&gt;I&#039;m one that does this/ I&#039;m &lt;strong&gt;the&lt;/strong&gt; one who does this. Is that it?&lt;/em&gt;

It&#039;s also handy to avoid repeating &#039;who&#039;. 

I almost always use &#039;who&#039;, but I do believe &#039;that&#039; is sometimes acceptable or even better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think you&#8217;re probably right. I tweeted this last night: </p>
<p><em>I&#8217;m one that does this/ I&#8217;m <strong>the</strong> one who does this. Is that it?</em></p>
<p>It&#8217;s also handy to avoid repeating &#8216;who&#8217;. </p>
<p>I almost always use &#8216;who&#8217;, but I do believe &#8216;that&#8217; is sometimes acceptable or even better.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Hewson</title>
		<link>http://www.benlocker.co.uk/that-can-refer-to-people/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Hewson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, tough one Ben. I think the example you&#039;ve given is referring to a title, an office, rather than an individual.

I think it&#039;s more specific than just when referring to a person - you wouldn&#039;t use &#039;that&#039; when referring to a name, but you would with a normal noun - so &#039;the fellow that can barely string a sentence together&#039;, but &#039;John Prescott, who can barely string a sentence together&#039;.

There&#039;s a handful of clever relevant quotes about being excessively fussy, by chaps like Samuel Johnson, Mark Twain and GB Shaw, that I could trot out here. Except I can&#039;t remember any of them right now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, tough one Ben. I think the example you&#8217;ve given is referring to a title, an office, rather than an individual.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s more specific than just when referring to a person &#8211; you wouldn&#8217;t use &#8216;that&#8217; when referring to a name, but you would with a normal noun &#8211; so &#8216;the fellow that can barely string a sentence together&#8217;, but &#8216;John Prescott, who can barely string a sentence together&#8217;.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a handful of clever relevant quotes about being excessively fussy, by chaps like Samuel Johnson, Mark Twain and GB Shaw, that I could trot out here. Except I can&#8217;t remember any of them right now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention "That" can refer to people as well as "who" &#124; Copywriting Blog -- Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://www.benlocker.co.uk/that-can-refer-to-people/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention "That" can refer to people as well as "who" &#124; Copywriting Blog -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Ben Locker, Ben Locker and Nandini Gupta, Martin Banham. Martin Banham said: Yes yes yes! RT @benlocker: Grammar &#8211; can &#39;that&#39; be used in place of &#39;who&#39;? I say it can. Do you agree? <a href="http://is.gd/7adpI" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/7adpI</a> [...]</p>
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